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Can I not save you?这句话对不对

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G*G2007-07-14 07:07

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Can I not save you?这句话对不对
原句出现在《书虫·牛津英汉对照读物》的《双城记》42页上
我怎么感觉应该是Can't I save you?才对呢
问题补充：补充一下原段和翻译
'Even without my love, Mr Carton, can I not save you? Can I not help you?'
“即使没有爱情，卡登先生，难道我就不能挽救您吗？我不能帮您吗？”原文翻译者叫
杨学义
a)Can I not save you?
b)Can't I save you?
What's the difference between the two sentences above?
Or Is there no difference between them?

d*w2007-07-14 07:07

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这个意思是of course I have to save you.
i don't think this 句型 is being used.
if it is, i think you are right, 这句更适合那个中文的意思。

【在 G***G 的大作中提到】

: Can I not save you?这句话对不对
: 原句出现在《书虫·牛津英汉对照读物》的《双城记》42页上
: 我怎么感觉应该是Can't I save you?才对呢
: 问题补充：补充一下原段和翻译
: 'Even without my love, Mr Carton, can I not save you? Can I not help you?'
: “即使没有爱情，卡登先生，难道我就不能挽救您吗？我不能帮您吗？”原文翻译者叫
: 杨学义
: a)Can I not save you?
: b)Can't I save you?
: What's the difference between the two sentences above?

s*s2007-07-14 07:07

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有可能是古英语中的语法也...

【在 d**w 的大作中提到】

:
: 这个意思是of course I have to save you.
: i don't think this 句型 is being used.
: if it is, i think you are right, 这句更适合那个中文的意思。

s*y2007-07-14 07:07

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this is too simple, sometimes naive. let me try to explain it to you.
a)Can I not save you?
wo neng bu neng bu jiu ni?
b)Can't I save you?
wo bu neng jiu ni ma?
they are different.

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n*t2007-07-14 07:07

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我个人感觉翻译有问题。

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这个是指的我难道救不了你么？
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原文应该是说就算我不喜欢你，我也做不到不救你。

【在 G***G 的大作中提到】

O*e2007-07-14 07:07

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Depends on the emphasis.
"Can I *not* save you?"
Can I choose not to save you?
Do I have a choice?
I actually don't want to save you.
"Can I not *save* you?"
Is it impossible for me to save you?
Are you so not savable?
Do I not have the ability to save you?
In spoken/colloquial English the second is the same as
"Can't I save you?"

【在 s****y 的大作中提到】

: this is too simple, sometimes naive. let me try to explain it to you.
: a)Can I not save you?
: wo neng bu neng bu jiu ni?
: b)Can't I save you?
: wo bu neng jiu ni ma?
: they are different.

d*w2007-07-14 07:07

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i don't agree. i think this means wo neng bu jiu ni ma? and it's fan wen.
it's like i have no choice but to save you.

【在 s****y 的大作中提到】

: this is too simple, sometimes naive. let me try to explain it to you.
: a)Can I not save you?
: wo neng bu neng bu jiu ni?
: b)Can't I save you?
: wo bu neng jiu ni ma?
: they are different.

d*w2007-07-14 07:07

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yeah, it is what it means. it's like why do you ask me. i have to save you
anyway.
this is probably not a good example .

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】

: Depends on the emphasis.
: "Can I *not* save you?"
: Can I choose not to save you?
: Do I have a choice?
: I actually don't want to save you.
: "Can I not *save* you?"
: Is it impossible for me to save you?
: Are you so not savable?
: Do I not have the ability to save you?
: In spoken/colloquial English the second is the same as

G*G2007-07-14 07:07

9 楼

great!

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G*G2007-07-14 07:07

10 楼

What you said is not the same as what Obstacle said.
Obstacle referred to 'Can I NOT save you?' as
" I actually don't want to save you, for example, when you are my rival in
love"
But your understanding of 'Can I NOT save you?' is
'I must save you, because you are my lover'.
How come did you answer 'yeah' to Obstacle's question?
在 Obstacle (障碍物) 的大作中提到: 】
yeah, it is what it means. it's like why do you ask me. i have to save you
anyway.

O*e2007-07-14 07:07

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Actually drew is saying the same thing as I said, except in a
more affirmative tone. I said "Can I choose not to save you?
Do I have a choice?", and drew just said directly, "I have to
save you anyway." Whereas I might wait another a bit longer
and ponder choices that I don't have before taking action to
save the person, drew would probably accept the responsibility
and take action right away to save the person.

you

【在 G***G 的大作中提到】

: What you said is not the same as what Obstacle said.
: Obstacle referred to 'Can I NOT save you?' as
: " I actually don't want to save you, for example, when you are my rival in
: love"
: But your understanding of 'Can I NOT save you?' is
: 'I must save you, because you are my lover'.
: How come did you answer 'yeah' to Obstacle's question?
: 在 Obstacle (障碍物) 的大作中提到: 】
: yeah, it is what it means. it's like why do you ask me. i have to save you
: anyway.

G*G2007-07-14 07:07

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NO. "I have to save you anyway" Drew said is not the same as
"do I have choice" or "can I choose not to save you" that you said.
They are not the difference between directly and indirectly.
"I have to save you anyway" sounds like the second meaning as you said in
"CAN I not SAVE you?"

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】

: Actually drew is saying the same thing as I said, except in a
: more affirmative tone. I said "Can I choose not to save you?
: Do I have a choice?", and drew just said directly, "I have to
: save you anyway." Whereas I might wait another a bit longer
: and ponder choices that I don't have before taking action to
: save the person, drew would probably accept the responsibility
: and take action right away to save the person.
:
: you

O*e2007-07-14 07:07

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In my first example emphasizing "not", I think the emphasis is on
the choice between the affirmative and the negative. The way I
expressed it, I considered the two choices with more equal probability,
whereas I think drew's expression leaned more heavily toward one of
the two choices.
In my second example emphasizing "save", I mean something like
"I am confident that I can save you."
"If you let me help you, I can save you."
"Don't you believe that I can save you?"
"Don't you believe that you a

【在 G***G 的大作中提到】

: NO. "I have to save you anyway" Drew said is not the same as
: "do I have choice" or "can I choose not to save you" that you said.
: They are not the difference between directly and indirectly.
: "I have to save you anyway" sounds like the second meaning as you said in
: "CAN I not SAVE you?"