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APAD: Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we

7grizzly
楼主 (文学城)

write in water.

Meaning:

   This Shakespearian saying expresses the notion that, while we recall well

   anything done to harm us, we forget quickly the good others do.

 

   A modern phrase that expresses a similaridea is Monty Python's "What have the

   Romans ever done for us?". The characters in that sketch claim that "The

   Romans have taken everything from us" and offered nothing in return except

   aqueducts, sanitation, roads, irrigation, medicine, education, wine, public

   baths and peace.

 

Background:

   From Shakespeare's Henry VIII, 1612:

     GRIFFITH:

     Noble madam,

     Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues

     We write in water. May it please your highness

     To hear me speak his good now?

  

   The line was alluded to on Keats' tombstone - Here lies one whose name was

   writ in water.

 

- www.phrases.org.uk [edited]

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Shakespeare also had Antony say in "Julius Caesar": The evil that men do lives

after them. The good is oft interred with their bones.

 

I don't need many examples to see the general truth but do think it depends on

the person who does the recalling. Many, as they grow older, seem to fall into

the clutches of fear, hatred, regret, guilt, bitterness, etc., and help to make

the proverb sound true.

 

Some, however, grow more grateful and remember the good done to them or even the

wrongs that helped to bring them where they are.

 

To yet another few, things come and go as part of karma and invoke no emotion

whatsoever. They switch into a death mode long before they kick the bucket.

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移花接木
2 楼
sinned ever and forever
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7grizzly
3 楼
poor sods. caught once, sinned against forever :-)
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最西边的岛上
4 楼
good writeup, with a touch of black humor ;-) & it applies 2
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最西边的岛上
5 楼
all I think. eg. 坏事传千里 好事不出门 ;-) But no one should be
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最西边的岛上
6 楼
in deathMood b4 it knocks @door, b happy&live a full life;-)
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7grizzly
7 楼
Thanks. Glad you like it.
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7grizzly
8 楼
"好人不长命,坏蛋活千年" 是这么说的吗?哈哈哈。
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最西边的岛上
9 楼
hahaha, maybe 好人们work 2 hard & worry 2 much? ;-)) 2 me,
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最西边的岛上
10 楼
it ain't about the length, but the quality of life counts
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最西边的岛上
11 楼
so 1 year of good life is worth 10 years of bad life ;-))
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暖冬cool夏
12 楼
The words on Keats' gravestone was what Keats asked his frie
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暖冬cool夏
13 楼
friends on his deathbed to carve into the tomb, though liter
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暖冬cool夏
14 楼
-ally, they were carved onto stones:) Great proverb&insight!
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7grizzly
15 楼
Was he bitter when he asked?
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7grizzly
16 楼
Model good and bad, give a formula, win the Nobel Prize:-)
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最西边的岛上
17 楼
Hahaha, okay, I'll give it a try, 4 the sake of the NP ;-)))
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暖冬cool夏
18 楼
Could be, but there might have Zen.里面的link你可能会喜欢。我喜欢今天的topic

https://wordsworth.org.uk/blog/2021/02/23/writ-in-water-the-gravestone-of-john-keats/

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7grizzly
19 楼
Now we know the spirit of that proverb goes far back in time
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