f*a
2 楼
当初为了保险起见，我和我太太各自都请了一个移民律师办移民。
虽然我太太办的晚，但他的移民律师把我太太和我的绿卡办了下来，而我的律师仅仅把我
的labor办下来。 有趣的事是，我的移民律师居然仍要收取我全部的绿卡办理费用。
在2001年，我的律师在我和他签合同前给我解释合同，说是labor是$1800，剩下的140，
485是另外$1800。现在他告诉我合同上写的是labor办下来就交另外$1800。我现在看了一
下合同：是如是说：‘Client has agreed and paid an initial payment towards he
legal fee of $1,800 at the time this agreement is signed. another $1800 of
legal fee is to be paid when the labor certificate application is approved.'
2001年签订合同前，他起初的态度很好、说话很有礼貌，我觉得应该信任中国同胞所以就
签了。
签完合同后，他的态度就变了,办理labor时他和他的助
虽然我太太办的晚，但他的移民律师把我太太和我的绿卡办了下来，而我的律师仅仅把我
的labor办下来。 有趣的事是，我的移民律师居然仍要收取我全部的绿卡办理费用。
在2001年，我的律师在我和他签合同前给我解释合同，说是labor是$1800，剩下的140，
485是另外$1800。现在他告诉我合同上写的是labor办下来就交另外$1800。我现在看了一
下合同：是如是说：‘Client has agreed and paid an initial payment towards he
legal fee of $1,800 at the time this agreement is signed. another $1800 of
legal fee is to be paid when the labor certificate application is approved.'
2001年签订合同前，他起初的态度很好、说话很有礼貌，我觉得应该信任中国同胞所以就
签了。
签完合同后，他的态度就变了,办理labor时他和他的助
G*s
3 楼
不承认就行了，没什么大不了的。
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
o*e
4 楼
Don't pay the fee. Write him a letter telling him that he did not earn that
1800 because
he did not do the work. Also tell him that if he keeps harassing you, you
will complain to the AILA, and reserve the right to take him to court. Also,
tell him that you will complain to
ABA and get him disciplined for harassing clients.
Make sure you send him this letter using registered mail with signature
receipt, and retain
a copy of this letter.
From now on, don't take his phone calls, and don't call
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 当初为了保险起见，我和我太太各自都请了一个移民律师办移民。
: 虽然我太太办的晚，但他的移民律师把我太太和我的绿卡办了下来，而我的律师仅仅把我
: 的labor办下来。 有趣的事是，我的移民律师居然仍要收取我全部的绿卡办理费用。
: 在2001年，我的律师在我和他签合同前给我解释合同，说是labor是$1800，剩下的140，
: 485是另外$1800。现在他告诉我合同上写的是labor办下来就交另外$1800。我现在看了一
: 下合同：是如是说：‘Client has agreed and paid an initial payment towards he
: legal fee of $1,800 at the time this agreement is signed. another $1800 of
: legal fee is to be paid when the labor certificate application is approved.'
: 2001年签订合同前，他起初的态度很好、说话很有礼貌，我觉得应该信任中国同胞所以就
: 签了。
1800 because
he did not do the work. Also tell him that if he keeps harassing you, you
will complain to the AILA, and reserve the right to take him to court. Also,
tell him that you will complain to
ABA and get him disciplined for harassing clients.
Make sure you send him this letter using registered mail with signature
receipt, and retain
a copy of this letter.
From now on, don't take his phone calls, and don't call
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 当初为了保险起见，我和我太太各自都请了一个移民律师办移民。
: 虽然我太太办的晚，但他的移民律师把我太太和我的绿卡办了下来，而我的律师仅仅把我
: 的labor办下来。 有趣的事是，我的移民律师居然仍要收取我全部的绿卡办理费用。
: 在2001年，我的律师在我和他签合同前给我解释合同，说是labor是$1800，剩下的140，
: 485是另外$1800。现在他告诉我合同上写的是labor办下来就交另外$1800。我现在看了一
: 下合同：是如是说：‘Client has agreed and paid an initial payment towards he
: legal fee of $1,800 at the time this agreement is signed. another $1800 of
: legal fee is to be paid when the labor certificate application is approved.'
: 2001年签订合同前，他起初的态度很好、说话很有礼貌，我觉得应该信任中国同胞所以就
: 签了。
m*x
5 楼
wait for april's fool
f*a
6 楼
非常感谢您的热心回答！
请问他寄给我的那封信还在邮局。我要不要去取？再谢！
,
communicate
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Don't pay the fee. Write him a letter telling him that he did not earn that
: 1800 because
: he did not do the work. Also tell him that if he keeps harassing you, you
: will complain to the AILA, and reserve the right to take him to court. Also,
: tell him that you will complain to
: ABA and get him disciplined for harassing clients.
: Make sure you send him this letter using registered mail with signature
: receipt, and retain
: a copy of this letter.
: From now on, don't take his phone calls, and don't call
请问他寄给我的那封信还在邮局。我要不要去取？再谢！
,
communicate
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Don't pay the fee. Write him a letter telling him that he did not earn that
: 1800 because
: he did not do the work. Also tell him that if he keeps harassing you, you
: will complain to the AILA, and reserve the right to take him to court. Also,
: tell him that you will complain to
: ABA and get him disciplined for harassing clients.
: Make sure you send him this letter using registered mail with signature
: receipt, and retain
: a copy of this letter.
: From now on, don't take his phone calls, and don't call
A*7
7 楼
教主率领众教徒们都翻了好几遍了，接着翻去吧
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
o*e
8 楼
Yes, you should get it and keep it as evidence.
If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
letter and the contract;
3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢您的热心回答！
: 请问他寄给我的那封信还在邮局。我要不要去取？再谢！
:
: ,
: communicate
If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
letter and the contract;
3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢您的热心回答！
: 请问他寄给我的那封信还在邮局。我要不要去取？再谢！
:
: ,
: communicate
m*x
9 楼
那是肯定的
【在 A****7 的大作中提到】
: 教主率领众教徒们都翻了好几遍了，接着翻去吧
【在 A****7 的大作中提到】
: 教主率领众教徒们都翻了好几遍了，接着翻去吧
f*a
10 楼
谢谢您!!
letter
AILA
actually
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you should get it and keep it as evidence.
: If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
: 1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
: and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
: 2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
: letter and the contract;
: 3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
: and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
letter
AILA
actually
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you should get it and keep it as evidence.
: If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
: 1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
: and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
: 2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
: letter and the contract;
: 3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
: and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
c*k
11 楼
韩寒乌龟不出洞，不管找出啥也没用啊
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
【在 f*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人去国家图书馆翻出所有的杂文报，故事会，萌芽，中文自修在连夜翻看
: 家书上列的书单已经被证伪
: 要是再翻出几篇早年收入到韩寒文集的文章就糟了
c*i
12 楼
I am NOT a lawyer, originally from Taiwan. And I don't know the parties (
including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
more than $1,800.
* * *
Chinese community, so you c
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you should get it and keep it as evidence.
: If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
: 1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
: and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
: 2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
: letter and the contract;
: 3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
: and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
more than $1,800.
* * *
Chinese community, so you c
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you should get it and keep it as evidence.
: If you really want to go to war, don't respond. Simply do the following:
: 1) draft a complaint to AILA, and mail the complaint with a copy of his letter
: and the original contract, indicating the unfair terms in his contract;
: 2) draft a similar complaint to ABA, and also mail it with a copy of his
: letter and the contract;
: 3) if he bugs you again, send him the copies of your complaints filed to AILA
: and ABA. This will get him worked up for a few da
o*e
13 楼
I did not suggest disputing the contract. Nevertheless, the contract very
likely is unenforceable. The bottom line is, the lawyer did not work to earn
the fee, and he keeps bugging the client for the money. This is sufficient
for filing for a disciplinary action.
Also, I suggested him posting the complaint template for the use by others,
not the entire complaint with real names. Even if he does, that does not
constitute defamation. All the court complaints are published in the public
domain
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I am NOT a lawyer, originally from Taiwan. And I don't know the parties (
: including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
: forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
: contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
: risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
: defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
: more than $1,800.
:
: * * *
: Chinese community, so you c
likely is unenforceable. The bottom line is, the lawyer did not work to earn
the fee, and he keeps bugging the client for the money. This is sufficient
for filing for a disciplinary action.
Also, I suggested him posting the complaint template for the use by others,
not the entire complaint with real names. Even if he does, that does not
constitute defamation. All the court complaints are published in the public
domain
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I am NOT a lawyer, originally from Taiwan. And I don't know the parties (
: including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
: forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
: contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
: risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
: defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
: more than $1,800.
:
: * * *
: Chinese community, so you c
h*m
14 楼
if you are not a lawyer, nor a law student, please don't mislead others.
yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
you come here.
This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
he hasnot violated it.
I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I am NOT a lawyer, originally from Taiwan. And I don't know the parties (
: including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
: forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
: contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
: risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
: defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
: more than $1,800.
:
: * * *
: Chinese community, so you c
yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
you come here.
This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
he hasnot violated it.
I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I am NOT a lawyer, originally from Taiwan. And I don't know the parties (
: including the lawyer), nor do I have any interest in teh dispute. However, you
: forget to mention the key point: this dude signed a contract, though he
: contended he was deceived. The contract seems a sticking point. Also, it is
: risky to disseminate the complaint widely; this dude can be sued for
: defamation. In my view, the person needs to talk to a lawyer, which may cost
: more than $1,800.
:
: * * *
: Chinese community, so you c
c*i
15 楼
Are you a lawyer or even a law students? At least I identify myself, but you
did not when offering legal advice. Suppose the person follows your advice
entirely and get sued, should he sue you for legal malpractice?
I simply don't think it is a good idea to urge others to do something you will
not do.
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: I did not suggest disputing the contract. Nevertheless, the contract very
: likely is unenforceable. The bottom line is, the lawyer did not work to earn
: the fee, and he keeps bugging the client for the money. This is sufficient
: for filing for a disciplinary action.
: Also, I suggested him posting the complaint template for the use by others,
: not the entire complaint with real names. Even if he does, that does not
: constitute defamation. All the court complaints are published in the public
: domain
did not when offering legal advice. Suppose the person follows your advice
entirely and get sued, should he sue you for legal malpractice?
I simply don't think it is a good idea to urge others to do something you will
not do.
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: I did not suggest disputing the contract. Nevertheless, the contract very
: likely is unenforceable. The bottom line is, the lawyer did not work to earn
: the fee, and he keeps bugging the client for the money. This is sufficient
: for filing for a disciplinary action.
: Also, I suggested him posting the complaint template for the use by others,
: not the entire complaint with real names. Even if he does, that does not
: constitute defamation. All the court complaints are published in the public
: domain
c*i
16 楼
See my posting immediately directed Otheme. The argument applies to you. Is it
so easy to dispute a contract? It can be done, but will cost lawyer's fee
more than $1,800--perhaps as much as one hundrend times of that.
If you are a lawyer, why do you do a pro bono and help defend that guy in
court, puting yor money where the mouth is. Such a hypocrite.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: if you are not a lawyer, nor a law student, please don't mislead others.
: yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
: statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
: court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
: you come here.
: This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
: he hasnot violated it.
: I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
so easy to dispute a contract? It can be done, but will cost lawyer's fee
more than $1,800--perhaps as much as one hundrend times of that.
If you are a lawyer, why do you do a pro bono and help defend that guy in
court, puting yor money where the mouth is. Such a hypocrite.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: if you are not a lawyer, nor a law student, please don't mislead others.
: yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
: statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
: court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
: you come here.
: This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
: he hasnot violated it.
: I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
o*e
17 楼
He is a troll.
misleading
before
if
and
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: if you are not a lawyer, nor a law student, please don't mislead others.
: yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
: statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
: court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
: you come here.
: This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
: he hasnot violated it.
: I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
misleading
before
if
and
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: if you are not a lawyer, nor a law student, please don't mislead others.
: yes there has been a contract, so what? if it was reached by fraud, misleading
: statements on the lawyer's part, or it's simply an unconscious contract, no
: court will enforce it. Please understand some basic contract law rules before
: you come here.
: This lawyer's conduct is at least in the shady zone of professional ethics, if
: he hasnot violated it.
: I remember you are a biologist, why not spend more time in your own field, an
o*e
18 楼
This is my last post to you so don't bother replying.
Choi, you are sad. I am a 3rd year law student. Many regular contributors on
this board are either lawyers or law students. I have taken contract law as
well as the multi-state professional responsibility exam. There are rules
regulating lawyers of which you are not aware. My advise is based on these
rules, not some second-hand hear-say experience from talking to a lawyer.
You never challenged my substantive argument, which indicates th
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Are you a lawyer or even a law students? At least I identify myself, but you
: did not when offering legal advice. Suppose the person follows your advice
: entirely and get sued, should he sue you for legal malpractice?
: I simply don't think it is a good idea to urge others to do something you will
: not do.
Choi, you are sad. I am a 3rd year law student. Many regular contributors on
this board are either lawyers or law students. I have taken contract law as
well as the multi-state professional responsibility exam. There are rules
regulating lawyers of which you are not aware. My advise is based on these
rules, not some second-hand hear-say experience from talking to a lawyer.
You never challenged my substantive argument, which indicates th
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Are you a lawyer or even a law students? At least I identify myself, but you
: did not when offering legal advice. Suppose the person follows your advice
: entirely and get sued, should he sue you for legal malpractice?
: I simply don't think it is a good idea to urge others to do something you will
: not do.
c*i
19 楼
You are a "3rd year law student." Great. So, please help this guy out when you
are licensed next summer--only eight months away. Represent him, as he will
surely be sued by his former attorney. Lawyers sue clients for fee all th time
, unlike what you suggested in your earlier postings.
You also wrote, "You never challenged my substantive argument." what IS your "
substantive argument"? I will be happy to challenge if you point them out.
Then again, you wrote, "you resorted to personal attacks."
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: This is my last post to you so don't bother replying.
: Choi, you are sad. I am a 3rd year law student. Many regular contributors on
: this board are either lawyers or law students. I have taken contract law as
: well as the multi-state professional responsibility exam. There are rules
: regulating lawyers of which you are not aware. My advise is based on these
: rules, not some second-hand hear-say experience from talking to a lawyer.
: You never challenged my substantive argument, which indicates th
are licensed next summer--only eight months away. Represent him, as he will
surely be sued by his former attorney. Lawyers sue clients for fee all th time
, unlike what you suggested in your earlier postings.
You also wrote, "You never challenged my substantive argument." what IS your "
substantive argument"? I will be happy to challenge if you point them out.
Then again, you wrote, "you resorted to personal attacks."
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: This is my last post to you so don't bother replying.
: Choi, you are sad. I am a 3rd year law student. Many regular contributors on
: this board are either lawyers or law students. I have taken contract law as
: well as the multi-state professional responsibility exam. There are rules
: regulating lawyers of which you are not aware. My advise is based on these
: rules, not some second-hand hear-say experience from talking to a lawyer.
: You never challenged my substantive argument, which indicates th
h*m
20 楼
choi, you are completely pathetic. Go back to your strait board, be a clown
and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
about the legal system here.
Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
his state for now.
"hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
I don't ev
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: See my posting immediately directed Otheme. The argument applies to you. Is it
: so easy to dispute a contract? It can be done, but will cost lawyer's fee
: more than $1,800--perhaps as much as one hundrend times of that.
: If you are a lawyer, why do you do a pro bono and help defend that guy in
: court, puting yor money where the mouth is. Such a hypocrite.
and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
about the legal system here.
Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
his state for now.
"hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
I don't ev
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: See my posting immediately directed Otheme. The argument applies to you. Is it
: so easy to dispute a contract? It can be done, but will cost lawyer's fee
: more than $1,800--perhaps as much as one hundrend times of that.
: If you are a lawyer, why do you do a pro bono and help defend that guy in
: court, puting yor money where the mouth is. Such a hypocrite.
c*i
21 楼
I'd like to know how you can do pro bono work without a license. At most, it
is volunteer work, to increase your expereince and boost your resume. In a
word, selfish.
Why don't you promise in writing that you wil come to the rescue of this guy
and represent him. In a few months AFTER you are licensed. He can move to your
state, no problem, if you are unwilling to go to his state. Anyway, yo can
still be admitted "pro hac vice"--one time for special purpose.
You and otheme are not even willing to
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: choi, you are completely pathetic. Go back to your strait board, be a clown
: and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
: about the legal system here.
: Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
: the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
: cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
: his state for now.
: "hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
: I don't ev
is volunteer work, to increase your expereince and boost your resume. In a
word, selfish.
Why don't you promise in writing that you wil come to the rescue of this guy
and represent him. In a few months AFTER you are licensed. He can move to your
state, no problem, if you are unwilling to go to his state. Anyway, yo can
still be admitted "pro hac vice"--one time for special purpose.
You and otheme are not even willing to
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: choi, you are completely pathetic. Go back to your strait board, be a clown
: and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
: about the legal system here.
: Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
: the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
: cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
: his state for now.
: "hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
: I don't ev
o*e
22 楼
hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
anything
know
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: choi, you are completely pathetic. Go back to your strait board, be a clown
: and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
: about the legal system here.
: Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
: the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
: cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
: his state for now.
: "hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
: I don't ev
the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
anything
know
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: choi, you are completely pathetic. Go back to your strait board, be a clown
: and entertain people there, but don't come here and pretend you know anything
: about the legal system here.
: Yes I'm a 3rd year law school student. And yes I have done pro bono work in
: the past and am doing it right now to help less fortunate people. Sorry I
: cannot present this guy here since I'm not qualified to do pro bono work in
: his state for now.
: "hypocrite" is certainly a personal attack. Watch your mouth.
: I don't ev
h*m
23 楼
Yeah, let's forget about this guy.
The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
minority students.
on
this
,
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
minority students.
on
this
,
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
O*g
24 楼
Hi hereIam and otheme,
You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
curious.
When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
Thanks a lot.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, let's forget about this guy.
: The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
: litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
: And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
: Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
: minority students.
:
: on
: this
: ,
You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
curious.
When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
Thanks a lot.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, let's forget about this guy.
: The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
: litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
: And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
: Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
: minority students.
:
: on
: this
: ,
o*e
25 楼
It's hard to find this type of statistics anywhere. It's difficult enough to
figure out the placement of my own class in law school, let alone all the
Chinese JD across the country.
In general, there aren't many Chinese JDs to start with (in absolute numbers).
So far, most of the Chinese JDs I know have placed in AMLAW 100 firms, if
not top 50. Among the firms your referred to, I think Cravath and Wachtell
are the creme de la creme among all and form a tier of their own. Then there
are the
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
figure out the placement of my own class in law school, let alone all the
Chinese JD across the country.
In general, there aren't many Chinese JDs to start with (in absolute numbers).
So far, most of the Chinese JDs I know have placed in AMLAW 100 firms, if
not top 50. Among the firms your referred to, I think Cravath and Wachtell
are the creme de la creme among all and form a tier of their own. Then there
are the
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
c*i
26 楼
(1) The lesson is never to say never. You said you would not respond to my
posting. That suits me just fine. Then you went back on your words, and
declared, "I am changing the topic now." Another HYPOCRITIC move.
(2) Your outlook about your job market is whistling when passing the graveyard
. Period.
(3)You know what, I need not get involved in this dispute. All involved (the
Chicago lawyer and client, Otheme and HereIam) are all from People's Republic
of China. I am from Taiwan. So if all PRC p
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
posting. That suits me just fine. Then you went back on your words, and
declared, "I am changing the topic now." Another HYPOCRITIC move.
(2) Your outlook about your job market is whistling when passing the graveyard
. Period.
(3)You know what, I need not get involved in this dispute. All involved (the
Chicago lawyer and client, Otheme and HereIam) are all from People's Republic
of China. I am from Taiwan. So if all PRC p
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
h*m
27 楼
Like Otheme said, there aren't much data about Chinese JDs' placement
throughout the country. From what I observe, some made to the top 20, others
to the top 50, few to the 50-100, all US offices. Every Chinese 2L or 3L I
know have solid offers from decent firms right now. A few Chinese laterals I
talk to are actively seeking different positions at this point. And they are
super hot. True that the absolute number of Chinese people in firms is low
since we started fairly late.
LLMs have a differe
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
throughout the country. From what I observe, some made to the top 20, others
to the top 50, few to the 50-100, all US offices. Every Chinese 2L or 3L I
know have solid offers from decent firms right now. A few Chinese laterals I
talk to are actively seeking different positions at this point. And they are
super hot. True that the absolute number of Chinese people in firms is low
since we started fairly late.
LLMs have a differe
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
c*i
28 楼
I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
D*s
29 楼
Nixon is such a bad, unethical politician.
or
After
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
: fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
: necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
: solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
: database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
: respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
: local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
or
After
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
: fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
: necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
: solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
: database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
: respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
: local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
n*e
30 楼
ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
different)
where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
well they may fall short on language/c
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
: fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
: necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
: solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
: database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
: respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
: local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
different)
where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
well they may fall short on language/c
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
: fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
: necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
: solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
: database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
: respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
: local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
m*t
31 楼
he's a biologist, and he just likes to.....um......argue.
worst
hard
training
in
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
worst
hard
training
in
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
B*z
32 楼
leave that wanwan alone.
worst
hard
training
in
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
worst
hard
training
in
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
c*i
33 楼
(1)
(a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
(b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
cable in this area, never a subscriber.
(c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
(d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
-polit
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
(a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
(b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
cable in this area, never a subscriber.
(c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
(d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
-polit
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
c*i
34 楼
I respond paragraph by paragraph.
(1) It has nothing to do with minority dignity. If I am rich enough, I will
hesitate to hire a foreign-born or minority lawyer. Yes, it is stereotype. But
as a judge in New York state remarked in his book several years ago, if a
defendant in a criminal case remains charged (i.e., charges not dropped) after
a couple of court proceedings but before trial, he is guilty more often than
not.
Further, to "prey on" is my observation' naturally it is not limited to
mino
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
(1) It has nothing to do with minority dignity. If I am rich enough, I will
hesitate to hire a foreign-born or minority lawyer. Yes, it is stereotype. But
as a judge in New York state remarked in his book several years ago, if a
defendant in a criminal case remains charged (i.e., charges not dropped) after
a couple of court proceedings but before trial, he is guilty more often than
not.
Further, to "prey on" is my observation' naturally it is not limited to
mino
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
n*e
35 楼
mind your words here "prey on". it sounds offensive. don't you have some
dignity as a member
of minority? perhaps I didn't quote exactly what you said before but that's
just my
impression of what were essentially saying. I have no interest in "distorting"
your meaning
whatsoever.
I think you have obvious bias against minority lawyers. A lot of
times it's not about their ability - it's just how the white dominated legal
world operate.
minority may as well do as good as their white colleagues but
dignity as a member
of minority? perhaps I didn't quote exactly what you said before but that's
just my
impression of what were essentially saying. I have no interest in "distorting"
your meaning
whatsoever.
I think you have obvious bias against minority lawyers. A lot of
times it's not about their ability - it's just how the white dominated legal
world operate.
minority may as well do as good as their white colleagues but
h*m
36 楼
Like Otheme said, there aren't much data about Chinese JDs' placement
throughout the country. From what I observe, some made to the top 20, others
to the top 50, few to the 50-100, all US offices. Every Chinese 2L or 3L I
know have solid offers from decent firms right now. A few Chinese laterals I
talk to are actively seeking different positions at this point. And they are
super hot. True that the absolute number of Chinese people in firms is low
since we started fairly late.
LLMs have a differe
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
throughout the country. From what I observe, some made to the top 20, others
to the top 50, few to the 50-100, all US offices. Every Chinese 2L or 3L I
know have solid offers from decent firms right now. A few Chinese laterals I
talk to are actively seeking different positions at this point. And they are
super hot. True that the absolute number of Chinese people in firms is low
since we started fairly late.
LLMs have a differe
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
c*i
37 楼
(1)
(a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
(b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
cable in this area, never a subscriber.
(c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
(d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
-polit
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
(a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
(b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
cable in this area, never a subscriber.
(c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
(d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
-polit
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
o*e
38 楼
It's hard to find this type of statistics anywhere. It's difficult enough to
figure out the placement of my own class in law school, let alone all the
Chinese JD across the country.
In general, there aren't many Chinese JDs to start with (in absolute numbers).
So far, most of the Chinese JDs I know have placed in AMLAW 100 firms, if
not top 50. Among the firms your referred to, I think Cravath and Wachtell
are the creme de la creme among all and form a tier of their own. Then there
are the
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
figure out the placement of my own class in law school, let alone all the
Chinese JD across the country.
In general, there aren't many Chinese JDs to start with (in absolute numbers).
So far, most of the Chinese JDs I know have placed in AMLAW 100 firms, if
not top 50. Among the firms your referred to, I think Cravath and Wachtell
are the creme de la creme among all and form a tier of their own. Then there
are the
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
O*g
39 楼
Hi hereIam and otheme,
You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
curious.
When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
Thanks a lot.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, let's forget about this guy.
: The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
: litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
: And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
: Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
: minority students.
:
: on
: this
: ,
You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
curious.
When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
Thanks a lot.
【在 h*****m 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, let's forget about this guy.
: The job market has indeed been quite hot for Chinese JDs. In my school, both
: litigation and transactional sides are quite friendly with Chinese students.
: And I'm even happier to notice that many offers have nothing to do with our
: Chinese or technical background at all. It's really good news for all the
: minority students.
:
: on
: this
: ,
c*i
40 楼
Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
I mention China? You are delutional.
As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
with that?
indeed
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1)
: (a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
: (b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
: people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
: cable in this area, never a subscriber.
: (c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
: (d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
: locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
: -polit
I mention China? You are delutional.
As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
with that?
indeed
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1)
: (a) You guys should have known that my observation was limited to Boston.
: (b) Chinese of all descents flock to NY, LA and DC. They have more Chinese
: people, culture and life; in Boston there is no Asian TV--I know nothing about
: cable in this area, never a subscriber.
: (c) True that graduates from Harvard Law School go to bigger markets.
: (d) You can be forgiven for not considering a law career in Boston. Even
: locals deem Massachusetts, with population of about 6 million, is very clubby-
: -polit
K*e
41 楼
看了这么多的文章, 忍不住也说两句. 我也是在读第三年法学院, 也在事务所工作
三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
on
this
,
clown
in
in
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
on
this
,
clown
in
in
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
D*s
42 楼
呵呵
厚道
choi的英文显然要好一些
【在 K**e 的大作中提到】
: 看了这么多的文章, 忍不住也说两句. 我也是在读第三年法学院, 也在事务所工作
: 三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
: 有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
: 大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
:
: on
: this
: ,
: clown
: in
厚道
choi的英文显然要好一些
【在 K**e 的大作中提到】
: 看了这么多的文章, 忍不住也说两句. 我也是在读第三年法学院, 也在事务所工作
: 三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
: 有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
: 大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
:
: on
: this
: ,
: clown
: in
K*e
43 楼
我在DC.
我的经验只局限在专利领域, 而且大部分时候是与台湾的公司打交道. 我们有很多的
客户是美国公司但是我很少跟他们打交道, 所以不知道他们对律师是什么想法, 更不
知道一般美国人怎么想. 不过谁都知道律师的声誉不好吧.
台湾客户倒是很喜欢我, 不过专利还是不能跟其他的混为一谈吧.
4
suspicions
of
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
我的经验只局限在专利领域, 而且大部分时候是与台湾的公司打交道. 我们有很多的
客户是美国公司但是我很少跟他们打交道, 所以不知道他们对律师是什么想法, 更不
知道一般美国人怎么想. 不过谁都知道律师的声誉不好吧.
台湾客户倒是很喜欢我, 不过专利还是不能跟其他的混为一谈吧.
4
suspicions
of
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
c*i
44 楼
I only practice in Boston, for myself; I am familiar with this part of
Massachusetts. Most likely you are not in Massachusetts.
In addition to being a student, you have some practical experience for 3 to 4
years. Taiwanese despise all people who work in legal field, such as
prosecutors, judges, clerks of the court, and lawyers--due to deep suspicions
of judicial corruption, some of which are valid. How about US, or that part of
US where you live? Do Americans trust their courts (federal and stat
【在 K**e 的大作中提到】
: 看了这么多的文章, 忍不住也说两句. 我也是在读第三年法学院, 也在事务所工作
: 三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
: 有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
: 大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
:
: on
: this
: ,
: clown
: in
Massachusetts. Most likely you are not in Massachusetts.
In addition to being a student, you have some practical experience for 3 to 4
years. Taiwanese despise all people who work in legal field, such as
prosecutors, judges, clerks of the court, and lawyers--due to deep suspicions
of judicial corruption, some of which are valid. How about US, or that part of
US where you live? Do Americans trust their courts (federal and stat
【在 K**e 的大作中提到】
: 看了这么多的文章, 忍不住也说两句. 我也是在读第三年法学院, 也在事务所工作
: 三四年了. 所以也能看得懂一点所谓的argument, 觉得choi说几句话还是有理依理
: 有据根据, 怎么你们几个说话都是天马行空大帽乱扣, 觉得怎么虚怎么狠?
: 大家好像都喜欢敲点英文, 水平比较高, 但是老气横秋, 还有点那个pretentious.
:
: on
: this
: ,
: clown
: in
c*i
45 楼
(1) The lesson is never to say never. You said you would not respond to my
posting. That suits me just fine. Then you went back on your words, and
declared, "I am changing the topic now." Another HYPOCRITIC move.
(2) Your outlook about your job market is whistling when passing the graveyard
. Period.
(3)You know what, I need not get involved in this dispute. All involved (the
Chicago lawyer and client, Otheme and HereIam) are all from People's Republic
of China. I am from Taiwan. So if all PRC p
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
posting. That suits me just fine. Then you went back on your words, and
declared, "I am changing the topic now." Another HYPOCRITIC move.
(2) Your outlook about your job market is whistling when passing the graveyard
. Period.
(3)You know what, I need not get involved in this dispute. All involved (the
Chicago lawyer and client, Otheme and HereIam) are all from People's Republic
of China. I am from Taiwan. So if all PRC p
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: hereIam, well said. "Pathetic" is an understatement. I think this guy is on
: the verge of losing his mind, completely out of control. Deep down he must
: feel extremely insecure, helpless, and inadequate.
: Anyway, to change the subject, it looks like the job market is excellent this
: year. I have also noticed that Chinese JDs are turning into hot commodities,
: especially in litigation. Good for the upcoming Chinese law students.
:
: anything
: know
s*b
46 楼
怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
也不多吧．．．．
ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
did
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
也不多吧．．．．
ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
did
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
c*i
47 楼
I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not a lawyer or law student, but I
fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
fight court battles with them. Those in prestigious law firms are not
necessarly better, in legal knowledge or ethics. However, in small law firm or
solo practitioner, they don't have resources for a library or internet
database, that is really bad. Otherwise, any lawyer working hard deserve
respect. I admire Richard M. Nixon, who came from a poor family, went to a
local college(Whittier College in Whittier, CA, with Quak
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hi hereIam and otheme,
: You both used the word "hot" describing job market for Chinese JDs. Can you be
: more specific? For example, can you give some statistics as which law firm
: your classmates are going to? I am 2L in top 20 law school, and I am really
: curious.
: When I was doing job search, I found out there are still not many Chinese (
: Chinese means undergraduate education in China) JDs/LLMs in top US law firm(by
: top I mean V20, by US law firm I mean US office).
: Thanks a lot.
c*i
48 楼
"如果我把你前说的找出来." you said. Evidence please. From this board.
* * *
的
* * *
【在 s*******b 的大作中提到】
: 怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
: 去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
: 还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
: 大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
: 看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
: 也不多吧．．．．
: ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
:
: did
* * *
的
* * *
【在 s*******b 的大作中提到】
: 怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
: 去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
: 还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
: 大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
: 看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
: 也不多吧．．．．
: ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
:
: did
c*i
49 楼
What I described is facts.
Firstly, you are putting words inmy mouth. i did not say "small firms" tended
to screw/cheat people; you said it. I did say minority law students could not
get proper training after graduation; with poor skill and knowledge, they are
left with client base of minority groups to prey on. And minority clients tend
to be poor, can't afford reputable lawyers, who are mostly white (men and
women).
Again, you said I admired solo practioners; I did not.
If you disagree with my
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
Firstly, you are putting words inmy mouth. i did not say "small firms" tended
to screw/cheat people; you said it. I did say minority law students could not
get proper training after graduation; with poor skill and knowledge, they are
left with client base of minority groups to prey on. And minority clients tend
to be poor, can't afford reputable lawyers, who are mostly white (men and
women).
Again, you said I admired solo practioners; I did not.
If you disagree with my
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: ok. you don't care for biglaw, fine. but in some earlier posts you said you
: don't care for small firms either (you said "less reputable" or minority
: dominated firms tend to screw/cheat people, right?). so I guess you only
: admire solo practice lawyers? my impression those often are perhaps the worst
: lawyers. (exceptions always around, Lincoln, ..., but nowadays things are
: different)
: where did you get the impression that chinese are less capable than natives?
: well they may fall short on language/c
s*b
50 楼
怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
也不多吧．．．．
ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
did
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
也不多吧．．．．
ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
did
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Damn, I was fooled by you. I went back to discussion in this topic. Where did
: I mention China? You are delutional.
: As far as I can recall, I mentioned China in this board once or twice,
: indicating that China might follow civil law, not common law. What is wrong
: with that?
:
: indeed
c*i
51 楼
I respond paragraph by paragraph.
(1) It has nothing to do with minority dignity. If I am rich enough, I will
hesitate to hire a foreign-born or minority lawyer. Yes, it is stereotype. But
as a judge in New York state remarked in his book several years ago, if a
defendant in a criminal case remains charged (i.e., charges not dropped) after
a couple of court proceedings but before trial, he is guilty more often than
not.
Further, to "prey on" is my observation' naturally it is not limited to
mino
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: mind your words here "prey on". it sounds offensive. don't you have some
: dignity as a member
: of minority? perhaps I didn't quote exactly what you said before but that's
: just my
: impression of what were essentially saying. I have no interest in "distorting"
: your meaning
: whatsoever.
: I think you have obvious bias against minority lawyers. A lot of
: times it's not about their ability - it's just how the white dominated legal
: world operate.
(1) It has nothing to do with minority dignity. If I am rich enough, I will
hesitate to hire a foreign-born or minority lawyer. Yes, it is stereotype. But
as a judge in New York state remarked in his book several years ago, if a
defendant in a criminal case remains charged (i.e., charges not dropped) after
a couple of court proceedings but before trial, he is guilty more often than
not.
Further, to "prey on" is my observation' naturally it is not limited to
mino
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: mind your words here "prey on". it sounds offensive. don't you have some
: dignity as a member
: of minority? perhaps I didn't quote exactly what you said before but that's
: just my
: impression of what were essentially saying. I have no interest in "distorting"
: your meaning
: whatsoever.
: I think you have obvious bias against minority lawyers. A lot of
: times it's not about their ability - it's just how the white dominated legal
: world operate.
c*i
52 楼
No one is above the law. See you in the court.
的
．
【在 s*******b 的大作中提到】
: 怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
: 去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
: 还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
: 大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
: 看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
: 也不多吧．．．．
: ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
:
: did
的
．
【在 s*******b 的大作中提到】
: 怪了.你还先找上碴了. You were fooled by me? how about you are just a fool?
: 去找一找你以前发的贴子再来胡言乱语. 什么as far as you can recall, 脑子进水了的
: 还recall呢. 如果我把你前说的找出来,你就承认你是个FOOL么?
: 大陆是有各种各样的问题. 先说你是不是中国人？如果不承认，就轮不到你来指手画脚．
: 看过古惑仔猛龙过江么？没看就去补一下把．不敢说那是台湾的１００％真实，但差的
: 也不多吧．．．．
: ＣＯＮＴＲＡＣＴ好久以前学的了．忘的差不多了．不敢象你一样．不懂装懂．
:
: did
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