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Bloomberg 关于大学回报率的分析,IVY遥遥领先,旗舰州立强于其它私立名校
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Bloomberg 关于大学回报率的分析,IVY遥遥领先,旗舰州立强于其它私立名校

passer1
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-15/stem-schools-among-top-20-in-list-of-colleges-with-the-highest-roi?embedded-checkout=true

Elite private colleges underperform compared to flagship public institutions The University of Texas at Austin had a higher return on investment than USC But the very top colleges - the eight that make up the Ivy League - are worth it 

The analysis ranked 1,500 colleges and universities by comparing graduates' earnings with what they paid for their degrees.

Those with an Ivy League degree easily got their money's worth even though they paid top dollar for their education - as such qualifications land graduates the very best paid jobs.

Instead, the study found that 'flagship' public colleges offer better returns on investment ten years after enrollment than the prestigious and selective private schools - sometimes known as the 'Hidden Ivies.' 

Flagship public schools include those like UC Berkeley, UCLA, the University of Michigan, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the University of Virginia.

Prestigious private colleges like Fordham, Rice, Duke and Northwestern by comparison cost in the region of $70,000 and $80,000 a year but only offer returns of about $135,000 compared to the $265,500 Ivy League degrees generated.

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yzhl888
2 楼
藤最大优势是花街,进不去花街的藤娃就没吃到肉。
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BrightLine
3 楼
你方唱罢我登场,无论哪你娃的收入可能都差不多。Ivy里自带资源的多,几个亿万家财就把平均数拉上去了,来个LV太子等,哈哈
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66889977
4 楼
应该把咨讯算上。
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applemint
5 楼
十年太短了,并且这是入学后十年也就是毕业后六年。一大帮人还没开始赚钱呢,最好能看20年的。
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东西南北衫
6 楼
比比CS?
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passer1
7 楼
全文在这儿

New report details the link between Ivy League degrees and future earnings Elite private colleges underperform compared to flagship public institutions The University of Texas at Austin had a higher return on investment than USC But the very top colleges - the eight that make up the Ivy League - are worth it 

Most expensive private universities are not worth the money, a surprising new report shows.

The analysis ranked 1,500 colleges and universities by comparing graduates' earnings with what they paid for their degrees.

Those with an Ivy League degree easily got their money's worth even though they paid top dollar for their education - as such qualifications land graduates the very best paid jobs.

But if they weren't admitted to an Ivy League school, they should think twice about going to what are often considered the next best.

That is because below those eight top-tier colleges, splashing the cash on a degree from prestigious non-Ivy private schools like Tulane, Oberlin and the University of Southern California does not guarantee the same 'return on investment.'

Instead, the study found that 'flagship' public colleges offer better returns on investment ten years after enrollment than the prestigious and selective private schools - sometimes known as the 'Hidden Ivies.' 

Flagship public schools include those like UC Berkeley, UCLA, the University of Michigan, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the University of Virginia.

The analysis by Bloomberg used calculations from Georgetown's Center on Education and the Workforce - and publicly available tuition and earnings data of graduates who accepted federal financial aid.

To work out a return on investment, the report looked at the average cost of a degree at each college. It compared that with the average total earnings of graduates from that college over the ten years after they had enrolled.

The difference - subtracting fees from income - was called the return on investment. 

Ivy League (e.g. Princeton University)

Return on investment - $265,500

Price - $75,000 - $80,000 per year

Degrees from Ivy League colleges had by far the highest return on investment despite their very high costs.

The Ivy League consists of the following eight institutions: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, the University of Pennsylvania and Yale.

Elite privates (e.g. University of Southern California)

Return on investment - $135,000

Price - $70,000 - $80,000 per year

Prestigious private colleges like Fordham, Rice, Duke and Northwestern by comparison cost in the region of $70,000 and $80,000 a year but only offer returns of about $135,000 compared to the $265,500 Ivy League degrees generated.

While they may offer quality education and good earnings, in many cases that is offset by their steep price.

The authors of the study defined elite private schools based on a list provided in Howard and Matthew Greene's book The Hidden Ivies, of which there are 63.

The University of Southern California had an average annual cost of attendance of more than $77,000 a year. Its return on investment was $170,000 after ten years, according to the analysis.

Going to university does almost always pay off, separate recent research shows. It found most college degrees offer better returns than the stock market.

Flagship public (e.g. University of Texas at Austin) 

Return on investment - $148,000

Price - $20,000 - $40,000 per year

A better option may therefore be big-name public colleges, which were worth on average $148,000 despite costing between $20,000 and $40,000 a year.

These are the most prominent public institutions in various states. They include the University of Florida, Pennsylvania State, the University of Texas at Austin and the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.

'If you get into an Ivy, the ROI is going to be great. But if you're part of the 99 percent of students who don't get in, regional and state flagship schools can punch above their weight and allow a strong return on investment,' Michael Itzkowitz, founder of HEA Group and the former director of College Scorecard, told Bloomberg.

The University of Texas at Austin had a return on investment of $176,000 and an annual cost of attendance of around $27,000. 

Public (e.g. Iowa State University) 

Return on investment - $118,000

Price - $5,000 - $40,000 per year

The same trend was even observed between non-elite private and non-flagship public universities - public colleges Auburn in Alabama and the City University of New York outperformed their private counterparts.

In general, they cost in the region of just $20,000 a year but still generated promising returns well above $100,000.

For example, Iowa State University cost only around $22,000 a year yet its degrees on average offered a return of $153,000 after ten years.

Some of the highest-performing colleges in this category were the Missouri University of Science and Technology, the University of Connecticut and various maritime academies.

Private (e.g. Syracuse University) 

Return on investment - $82,000

Price - $10,000 - $80,000 per year

The private category ignores the eight Ivy League schools and the list of 63 elite and expensive Hidden Ivies.

The cost of attending regular private colleges varied tremendously, though the bulk were more than $40,000 a year. Syracuse in New York had a return on investment of almost $115,000 and a cost of almost $73,000 a year.

Meanwhile, Southwest Baptist University in Missouri had an annual cost of attendance of around $35,000 and a return of $75,000.

It is worth noting that because the study only considered students who took financial aid, it ignored the future earnings of those who paid out of pocket. It also does not consider lifetime earnings, only those around five or six years after graduation.

Some private colleges argued that this distorted the results against their favor. 

'It is impossible to distill the excellence of any given college into one ranking, particularly one that only looks at success in terms of dollars and cents,' Andrea Simakis, a spokesperson for Oberlin, told the outlet.

She noted the school's graduates are well-represented among Grammy winners and MacArthur genius fellows.

Generally, many schools dedicated to the arts were expensive and generated poor and even negative returns. Examples are the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, Berklee College of Music and California Institute of the Arts.

Conversely, schools that offer more science, technology, engineering and mathematics courses had higher returns.

'Not only does this study not capture the lifetime ROI of these individuals, it does not begin to capture the ROI to the world,' said the Oberlin spokesperson.

Recently, another report showed the salaries Americans make after graduating varies dramatically depending on their major. After five years, those who studied engineering earn more than double those who pursued the arts.

Meanwhile, there have been concerns that college degree costs are spiraling - with the annual cost at Vanderbilt University hitting almost $100,000 a year. Students at the private college face a $400,000 bill for a typical four-year course.

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66889977
8 楼
能去花街的,最后应该赚钱最多。
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mom2023
9 楼
这些数字的data source 那里找?
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凤姐虎弟
10 楼
才1500个取样?旗舰公立一年录取就不止1500

明显propaganda

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凤姐虎弟
11 楼
这种文章都是藤校请人写的
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其乐无穷
12 楼
不是1500个样本,是分析了1500所学校。别张口就说别人propaganda。
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东西南北衫
13 楼
数字肯定不对:比如耶鲁收集了世界上所有不赚钱的专业, 它的return高不了
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w20636
14 楼
旗舰州立付州内学费,当然回报率高
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wenhaomama
15 楼
耶鲁读那些

专业的要的不是钱

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凤姐虎弟
16 楼
这种主流文章default就是propaganda

FIgures lie, and liars figure. 

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oldbridge
17 楼
一个耶鲁品牌值上百万吧,可能把这算进去了 LOL
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其乐无穷
18 楼
你连人家文章的数据分析都是张口就扯谎,还倒打一耙。难道比人家更有credit?lol
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东西南北衫
19 楼
差不多!
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成功的小羊
20 楼
哈哈,娃以前的标考补习中心就是某大藤,生意兴隆,雇了一堆名校毕业生给他打工。
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凤姐虎弟
21 楼
你太低估媒体propaganda程度了

这种没有data source, 没有具体分析的文章 你也信?

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whaled
22 楼
基本上是胡言乱语。用教育部的数据一对比就知道根本是造假的结果
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其乐无穷
23 楼
什么专业不赚钱?学历史的不少去花街算什么?学政治的很多去法学院又算什么?其实不仅耶鲁,所有藤校和LAC都是如此。
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凤姐虎弟
24 楼
这些学生不上大学汇报最高
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其乐无穷
25 楼
Bloomberg至少比你可信多了。楼下不也有说藤校学位值钱性下降的文章。也没见谁像你这种反应。
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其乐无穷
26 楼
尊重人家的数据,有不同观点可以用你的数据反驳。张口给别人扣帽子太没品了。
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whaled
27 楼
Rice,Duke毕业生收入怎么也不会比小腾底,更别提旗舰州大了
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其乐无穷
28 楼
再说公校专业才是无所不包的,所谓藤校不赚钱的专业公校全有,而且学生人数多得多。
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东西南北衫
29 楼
Yale学历史去花街? 你想多了, 回报直接跟专业相关
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我是谁的谁
30 楼
多了去了,呵呵
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其乐无穷
31 楼
Yale历史系去花街还不是最出名的,H才是,很多报H历史的都是奔花街或咨询去的。
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东西南北衫
32 楼
拍脑袋拍出来的? 耶鲁回报最好的专业是计算机, 历史只有其1/5. 可惜, 耶鲁的计算机跟同行比排80多名
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凤姐虎弟
33 楼
Bloomberg就是资深propaganda.

你那么鸡冻?这你写的?

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凤姐虎弟
34 楼
这你写的?
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littletiger1
35 楼
CS is over-supplying for sure!!!

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其乐无穷
36 楼
有人会说你这是propaganda, lol.
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东西南北衫
37 楼
听起来H才是矿, 哈哈, 去花街干什么? 让花街来给H打工就行了
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凤姐虎弟
38 楼
不信邪的很多
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whaled
39 楼
CS基数大,相对其他专业多cut几个百分点,还是雇人最多的最好找工作的行业。

CS毕业生总数比liberal art或其他文科类少多了

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成功的洋葱
40 楼
都是花街二代,学啥都能进花街的。
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其乐无穷
41 楼
真敢开牙。做人不要太cnn.
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东西南北衫
42 楼
股市还不是直线上升呢, 这只是跟前一年比
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凤姐虎弟
43 楼
你懂什么叫propaganda吗?

在这版混都小罗罗连边都搭不上

您老就别太代入了

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东西南北衫
44 楼
紫檀进H的怎么算? 不算, 还是算成零?
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凤姐虎弟
45 楼
本来大家都是闲人瞎聊 您这么代入 伤身体
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凤姐虎弟
46 楼
原来你是Bloomberge员外 得罪得罪
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wd6
47 楼
不一定,我就见过一个普通中产东南亚裔H毕业生,运动员加水专业,去花街的。看他外形谈吐觉得特别合适

妈妈原先是马来还是泰国的,爸爸不知道哪里。好像是划船运动员。学的是social study还是哪个culture study记不清了。我觉得比历史水。历史其实不好读。毕业典礼前碰到,聊了一会,觉得谈吐特别有礼貌,自信,就是给人一种信服感。我当时就觉得特别适合和富人打交道,问他毕业去哪里。说是一投行的大客户服务。

H Y里这种孩子应该不是一个两个的。人家就有这种课本外的能力。

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wd6
48 楼
我是毕业典礼上和5,6个娃的朋友或熟人碰到聊个天,每个人的行业和兴趣都不同,但是几乎个个有过人之处
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东西南北衫
49 楼
家里有钱有关系, 是大于华尔街的, 比如官二代之类的
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wd6
50 楼
普通人家的。他好朋友有个华裔富二代,去UCB苦哈哈读生物博士了
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wd6
51 楼
还有一个小白男精通中文,又能在毕业典礼上做拉丁文演讲。所以搞得那个市长校友发言非常没有底气
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原來是這樣
52 楼
這位是P歷史系 畢業生

現在已經退休了?

看一下以前的工作

https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-holden-a7541b5/

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littletiger1
53 楼
just want to say, if the kids love CS, go for it.

But a lot of kids are following the "trend". a few observations

1. kids wanted to go to premed, but at the end chose CS

2. kids are strong in other fields, but choosing CS in Northwestern. 

i think there are lots of cases where kids simply chose CS because it is hot! and the job market has already reacted on it. 

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